Hi all! I'm a systems administrator tasked with ru...
# spicedba
antoszka
05/11/2023, 12:57 PMHi all! I'm a systems administrator tasked with running a SpiceDB backend for some of my devs and they're asking whether the Playground can be self-hosted and connected to our live spicedb backend for testing/verification/visualisation.
Couldn't find anything concrete other than this: https://github.com/authzed/spicedb/issues/1075 — so I decided to ask here 😉
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vroldanbet
05/11/2023, 1:04 PMYeah, that is the case, we've been discussing opensourcing the playground. However, the playground itself does not act as a frontend to the state of your SpiceDB. It runs it's own SpiceDB using WASM. authzed.com offers a mechanism to import part of that state in your live SpiceDB into the playground.
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antoszka
05/11/2023, 1:13 PMOK, I see, thanks @vroldanbet!
antoszka
05/11/2023, 1:15 PMBut, even without the frontend/backend distinction, would it be possible to compile and run a "private" instance of the Playground?
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vroldanbet
05/11/2023, 1:15 PMno, it's not possible because it's not opensource, and we have decided if and when we will opensource it
vroldanbet
05/11/2023, 1:16 PMThe playground is completely client-side based. The only state kept is when you "share"
vroldanbet
05/11/2023, 1:16 PMotherwise, everything is happening in your browser.
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antoszka
05/11/2023, 1:16 PMOK, excellent, thanks. I'll pass that info onto my devs. 🙂
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vroldanbet
05/11/2023, 1:17 PMwe definitely want to understand better what motivations there are to need a private playground, so we would appreciate all information in this regard 🙏🏻
vroldanbet
05/11/2023, 1:18 PMbut if the concern is "feeling uneasy about putting intellectual property in the playground", I can only say that the playground is all client based, and it only submits data to our servers when you decide to click the "share button"
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antoszka
05/11/2023, 1:23 PMYeah, I think we're totally fine with that, the request's original premise was more about connecting the playground to a "real" SpiceDB instance, but if that's not possible I don't think they'll have a problem using the non-selfhosted Playground running fully in the browser.
antoszka
05/11/2023, 1:24 PMSo until you can connect the frontend to something else than the internal WASM spicedb instance there's no real-world need for self-hosting it 🙂
antoszka
05/11/2023, 1:24 PMAs far as I can see, at least.
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vroldanbet
05/11/2023, 1:39 PMalright so I guess what I'm hearing is that your devs would like to be able to use the playground as a way to tinker with the state of a specific playground instance. I think that's valuable product feedback FYI @jzelinskie @dsieczko
vroldanbet
05/11/2023, 1:39 PMdo you know if they'd would want to use it as fronted even for a large-scale production SpiceDB deployment? or is just for stage-envs or development
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antoszka
05/11/2023, 2:44 PMPossibly for a full-scale production SpiceDB instance, as a kind of auxiliary IDE, a tool to visualise/tinker/reason about/debug real life data we'll be handling in the long run, especially once we go live with our authz setup.
For a start it'd be great if we could do the same with a stage-env/development instance. 🙂
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vroldanbet
05/11/2023, 3:10 PMCoolio, I think that makes sense, although perhaps we can do better than just playground for a prod debug / IDE. Thanks for the feedback!
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Joey
05/11/2023, 3:14 PM@antoszka if we do OSS playground, then we do have some ideas on how it could connect to a local SpiceDB
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antoszka
05/11/2023, 3:18 PMExcellent! I'd be most happy to work on deployment and testing
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jzelinskie
05/12/2023, 8:40 PMIn the mean time, zed can be used to poke around live systems: https://github.com/authzed/zed